Newbie Division in EQL4 ?

2006-05-05 11:51 by zanne

I was thinking after reading a few threads about this on qw.nu, perhaps we'll have a Newbie Division in the next season of EQL. There would be some really hard rules though, as follows:

A clan playing in the newbie division may contain of only unknown players that are truley new to QuakeWorld

A clan playing in the newbie division may only do so for one season, if the clan survives and is not dropped dead after the season they will automatlicly advance to Division 5.

If a clan should play with any faker Im sure we could spot this and will ban that clan and the people in it from EQL without any first warnings.

This would give the new people to QuakeWorld a chance to get started without having to know some pro to get through it, ofcourse there will always be a clan winning and a clan losing the division, but if we're lucky, no clan will be a dominating clan.

Please post your comments and thoughts about this idea.

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Comments

#1 2006-05-05 12:05 by Renzo (88.113.232.XXX)

Good idea. But this one needs an active admin to follow all these games (or speccing demos at least). And even if people are watching, some lameass might still be able to fake as a newbie since it's not that hard not to bunny and you can kill real newbies pretty easily without aiming too good.

#2 2006-05-05 12:37 by ?ke Vader (217.210.101.XXX)

I wonder if we will get more than 3 full clans though...

#3 2006-05-05 12:49 by Zanne (195.198.202.XXX)

Yeah ofcourse the rules and the administrative work will be strict and hard, anyhow we can always give it a try

#4 2006-05-05 12:49 by zanne (195.198.202.XXX)

and yeah ?ke, even if we can get 1-2 clans, that's a great start.

We could also make a news item about it on fragzone and other pages, since it's a gaming society and then ppl might get interested.

#5 2006-05-05 12:58 by joulukuu (80.186.11.XXX)

the problem is that some new clans are bound to be alot better than others... how about just revising your player policies in div5, something like no players with div3 or higher experience is allowed to play with div5clans

#6 2006-05-05 13:43 by error (213.114.99.XXX)

I think we need that faker servu thing before we can do this. :/

#7 2006-05-05 13:52 by lol wannabe (217.209.40.XXX)

lpol allts

#8 2006-05-05 13:52 by 12lol (217.209.40.XXX)

12lol

#9 2006-05-05 13:55 by Zanne (195.198.202.XXX)

Yeah if there were some login service before playing or such, that logs ip it would've been great.
Than this could be accomplished successfully

#10 2006-05-05 14:34 by pekekekeke (193.167.10.XXX)

how n00b players must be to participate? I've few friends who've been playing occasionally, like a year or so.. They can bunny and stuff, but havent played any 4on4 at all.. Some of them have Teamfortress background though..

#11 2006-05-05 15:22 by zanne (195.198.202.XXX)

Players who've never played in a clan before I'd suppose, in QW that is

#12 2006-05-05 15:55 by sassa (213.113.96.XXX)

if we get 3 clans, then they play vs each other 3-4 times etc.. so we get a full 7-9 week schedule

#13 2006-05-05 16:12 by manny (86.132.79.XXX)

Just an idea that popped into my head:

How about assigning each of these newbie teams a mentor/coach player from the higher divs who wouldnt actually play but would help with setups and tp strategies and give warming back massages to console the poor little mites when they lost.

#14 2006-05-05 16:28 by zanne (195.198.202.XXX)

Yeah that's an idea manny, if we get some voulenteers

#15 2006-05-05 16:35 by Hooraytio (212.214.218.XXX)

ill tip my friend about this

he has played some on our lans and some duels online and never been active in any clan, i think he might be interested to play for a newbie team

#16 2006-05-05 22:34 by c (213.66.228.XXX)

So how many people would participate in this division? If I would be completely new to the scene I would try to join some div 5 clan and get some practice with them, instead of starting new clans, you don't start a company before you know your work, so to speak...

#17 2006-05-06 10:20 by ??? (84.249.154.XXX)

Can people who've been playing Teamfortress participate?

#18 2006-05-07 04:13 by sassa (213.113.96.XXX)

yeah, everyone that is beginner can start playing this, but not ppl that have played teamfortress, I think they are more suited for div5 than "beginner div"

#19 2006-05-07 10:13 by Hooraytio (212.214.218.XXX)

i think old tf players are a big part of the newcommers in qw and without them in newbie-div there wont be much of it :P

#20 2006-05-07 10:14 by JohnNy_cz (195.113.25.XXX)

Good idea. In Czech republic we are running a 1on1 tourney with skill groups (gold/silver/bronze) which helped us to attrack a lot of new players to the game. But we are not able to offer them 4on4 they would enjoy. They just see that only the top4 players of the gold bracket are able to play in div5-3 clans so they don't even try to put up a clan.

I also think that some legalized ghosting (by a skilled div1-3 player) would be good here. The teamplay is very complex thing, I think it would make newbies to learn think faster and I also think it would make the div1 players willing to fake compensate their filthy thought on this :) However I don't expect it to happen because admins are too scared of cheating and ktpro at it's present state doesn't have a feature that would publicly lock a spectator to track only one team.

#21 2006-05-07 11:08 by peppe (80.217.14.XXX)

"and ktpro at it's present state doesn't have a feature that would publicly lock a spectator to track only one team."
add to the suggestion-box on the KTX-thread :)

#22 2006-05-07 11:29 by zanne (81.234.250.XXX)

I agree with Jhonny_Cz, to have someone spec his own team and coaching them during the game, then the routine and standard of the newbies will advance alot which will lead to more fun for the new guys.

#23 2006-05-07 15:02 by Kalma (88.112.65.XXX)

This "coach" could track one of the players via qizmo.

#24 2006-05-08 03:30 by killy (194.165.180.XXX)

I like the idea - although I would prefer if you relaxed the definition of newbie a bit. There is no way you can strictly police it without killing the division altogether, because if any clan goes out and makes a huge effort and wins all their games 350-0, then they'll be criticised for undermining the spirit of the newbie league.

Allow for a "big brother" system where you're allowed one semi-noob who will help the clan to advance their tactics and stuff (and usually new clans have a semi-noob at the core, trying to get them into the game).

#25 2006-05-08 12:06 by ekekekekekeekekekeekek (193.167.10.XXX)

// i think old tf players are a big part of the newcommers in qw and without them in newbie-div there wont be much of it :P
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i totally agree. i've talked to some old tf dudes and they'd love to participate ( "we wanted allways to play dm but got raped so badly...;( ")

the only thing that worries me is that it's not easy to people connect to create clans. I think we should have irc-channels like #team-red, #team-blue, #team-pink, a.s.o. to people to join.

Anyway, when is this turne going to happen?

#26 2006-05-08 22:53 by psilo (84.171.219.XXX)

i'm one more candidate for beg-div
my skills: getting raped in mixgames day by day =]

#27 2006-05-09 14:13 by ui (81.234.13.XXX)

Agree with #16.

#28 2006-05-10 09:47 by Hooraytio (212.214.218.XXX)

my guess is that eql4 will start at the end of summer sometime...

maybe someone wanna set up a summer cup or smth?

#29 2006-05-10 14:37 by zanne (195.198.202.XXX)

I will set up a summercup and run it, and I will include a newbie league, with different teams, players will participate by joining with their nicks and will be put together in a team, if there's 4 guys that know each other they may want to create their own team, and ofcourse they're allowed to do so.
We'll have coaches in which will be appointed to one team, so voulenteers will have to sign up when I get everything done.

Old TF players are more than welcome to this newbie league, since it's not for certain it will be very fair regardless of whom plays in the division we'll just hope for the best.

#30 2006-05-10 17:53 by Hooraytio (212.214.218.XXX)

i could prolly coach some team
gonna work all summer and lan with fisto :)

#31 2006-05-10 21:02 by Term (85.226.178.XXX)

You mean you could paricipate in such a team ;D?

#32 2006-05-14 17:44 by Hooraytio (212.214.218.XXX)

yeah, ill just come up with some fakenick

(hint hint DEFS hint hint)

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