Oblivion out of EQL3

2006-04-18 13:46 by sassa

Oblivion has been kicked out of EQL after getting their second warning.
They have been caught ghosting in their game vs SSC and all of their games will be deleted.
We have been talking about this case for 1 week now to gather all the information and have finally made a decision.

Some info about the ghosting that accured:

Fnosk joined their vent channel not knowing that it was a EQL game and helping his teamm8s during the first map (dm3). I saw/listen to this and took a talk with him in another ventrilo channel to ask him what he was doing and he answered me that it was not EQL, it was pracc.

Directly after he found out that it was a EQL game he told me that he was very sorry about what he did but he didnt knew it was EQL.

Even though he didnt knew, his teammates should have told him to go the fuck out of the vent channel or shut up and not give hints about the enemys.
This is their seccond warning (first warning was given when they played with hagge even though he wasent in their playerlist).

Many teams use mm3 and if you want to be sure that they dont cheat ask an admin to step i,n their vent channel and see how many ppl they got there.

Im very sorry to have lost a team like Obvilion in eql and hope that they will be back for EQL4.

/The EQL-team

Ghosts, like ladies, never speak till spoke to
- Richard Harris Barham

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Comments

#51 2006-04-18 15:12 by Empezar (213.113.96.XXX)

even if fnosk came here and said "I cheated. I am sorry." you would not accept it as proof.

maybe we should call CSI?

#52 2006-04-18 15:12 by nakoz (80.217.82.XXX)

sassa, this stuff really tests our patience. we don't need your false pity.

#53 2006-04-18 15:14 by manny (86.132.79.XXX)

It sounds like fnosk joined part way through the first game and only realised it was EQL when that game was finished. With hindsight, maybe the wisest thing to have done was to tell the opponents and replay that first map again?

Clans getting excluded from a major league in a pretty small community can't be good for QW as a whole. I hope other options were exhausted before this measure was taken.

Another thing is, this kind of thing begins to breed distrust, until people will want admins in both team's voice channels for every game, which isn't very practical.

I'm all for cheerleading on voice in pracs, it makes things fun, a lot more of a social event - congratulating someone on some rnb dance moves, or laughing at quad bores. But the line is there, and it's only your conscience stopping you from crossing it I guess.

I keep hearing brief things about QTV, will that feature a delay like HLTV? That's the only answer I can think of.

#54 2006-04-18 15:15 by gaz (195.72.182.XXX)

manny4president

#55 2006-04-18 15:16 by Empezar (213.113.96.XXX)

QTV has a 10 second delay

#56 2006-04-18 15:16 by sassa (213.113.96.XXX)

qtv will have a 10 sec delay

#57 2006-04-18 15:20 by gaz (195.72.182.XXX)

Sassa & Empezar have same IP? ^_^

#58 2006-04-18 15:20 by Kauka (81.225.206.XXX)

TELL THE TRUTH BROTHER MANNY

#59 2006-04-18 15:22 by peppe (82.212.77.XXX)

qtv will ROCK

#60 2006-04-18 15:23 by nakoz (80.217.82.XXX)

emp: if i wouldn't have played the game I WOULDN'T be here arguing for something I knew nothing about. BUT, i was on vent, playing (quite crappy) and made no notice of ghoasting.. but you can check our games the last 4 years on both nqr and eql-site, I think we have a spec in 90% of the games, maybe on our vent-chan cheering or PROBABLY ghoasting for the last 4 years... so zzzzz. anyone who likes can p.m me and have the pass to our vent-chan and drop by anytime to "check" on us or just say a pleasent "hello"...

I noticed that most of our defendants are from osams, a clan that often comes visiting us on vent. Thanks for the support. kram.

#61 2006-04-18 15:23 by razor (81.225.223.XXX)

well both SD and Oblivion is really nice, its a shame it happends to them, i think both kickouts was harsch, fakenick is serious and having other ppl on vent in EQL game is serious too (and its your responsibility to know if its EQL), but it wasnt a super-serious fakescam, and by judgeing of this it doesnt look like fnosk told anything useful for O? :)
so question is just if we wanna follow the principals with absolutely no discussion, or if wanna simply just let both SD and O back in the leuages, i mean its a tiny community with no money, nice things like that can be done! :) i vote for the later

#62 2006-04-18 15:26 by Empezar (213.113.96.XXX)

gaz, that MIGHT be because we live in the same apartment

#63 2006-04-18 15:29 by razor (81.225.223.XXX)

cheering in pracs is ok, but hm i dunno if its such a good idea to have it in officials, i mean i wouldnt like it at least if i was in the opponent team, maybe ask opponents first is wise :) cause i mean it still can help a tiny little bit if he slips his mouth with something

#64 2006-04-18 15:32 by razor (81.225.223.XXX)

i think hagge said that he said something like "good work at ra hagge", then teamies knows he probably killed a weapon there, and ra is safe, and that hagge is there :) ok its really small, but still other similiar stuff COULD incidently help out

#65 2006-04-18 15:34 by gaz (195.72.182.XXX)

(sry I couldn't resist the childish joke :E)

#66 2006-04-18 15:34 by JKova (80.221.17.XXX)

to razor (#61)

in nqr we have quite thorough written rules that every clan accept when signing up for the league. The rules make it pretty clear that we take a hard line when it comes to "aliasing/mercing", and also the repercussions of such an act have been clearly listed.

The EQL system however fails to present such rules, so cases such as this result in arbitrary rulings of one or a couple power-seeking admins.

#67 2006-04-18 15:35 by razor (81.225.223.XXX)

and hm it would just be such a hard time for admins to maintain the rules and to draw the line for what cheering is and what helping out is, is like "come on now guys, take the quad!!" is that cheering or coaching?,
btw coaching isnt allowed right? otherwise this monologue with myself is pointless :D

#68 2006-04-18 15:36 by murdoc (213.84.248.XXX)

"good work at ra hagge" could also mean he bored to nmy or something and that is more believeble knowing hagge. 3>

#69 2006-04-18 15:39 by nakoz (80.217.82.XXX)

razor: I agree that it might not be ethical correct to have another guy hangin' on vent. I usually hang there with muted mic while speccing, but it's not shown in vent. but I think it's made our mm3 improve.
ex; if I spec nas and he's trying to chase a weak rl-enemy down, I can advice him after the game to take help from he's teammates. this is insted of recording every game (i don't even know how in vent?) and download the demo and playing them as with commentary; that's time that i don't have.

BUT yeah, we wouldn't have to do that in eql-games, and for that fnosk has already apologised, and if we would have won dm3 and ssc had said anything, after the game, or even now, we would definitely replay the game with sassadoks on our vent for the whole game.

r?tt ska va r?tt.

#70 2006-04-18 15:40 by razor (81.225.223.XXX)

hm comeon, EVERY single situation cant be covered?, why did u even have a vote for it then? or even have a channel where it can be discussed :) voting and discussing has to be done in some cases, if this was EQL's teams decision, its just the same as the NQR 's decision about kicking SD

#71 2006-04-18 15:41 by Ari (84.251.171.XXX)

It's SassaworlD TIME!

#72 2006-04-18 15:48 by heh (84.61.166.XXX)

<Sassa> I like deleting comments
<Sassa> welcome to sassaworld

#73 2006-04-18 15:50 by contender (81.236.21.XXX)

tyckte min comment var mer r?ttf?rdigad ?n bannen.

#74 2006-04-18 15:57 by sassa (213.113.96.XXX)

its so funny how u try to twist this around to sassaworld when its acctually the eql admins decision:
15:38] @nopee | but i serriously know sassa isnt as involved with the desicion as the other admins

#75 2006-04-18 16:00 by nakoz (80.217.82.XXX)

who spread the false rumour?
can't be sassa? zzzzz.

#76 2006-04-18 16:00 by manny (86.132.79.XXX)

People could be forgiven for thinking that when it was originally "/Sassa and the EQL-team" :F

#77 2006-04-18 16:01 by stefan (82.182.188.XXX)

plz. *fnorre* *oblivion* <3. fill me with apples <3

#78 2006-04-18 16:01 by heh. (84.61.164.XXX)

<Sassa> I like deleting comments
<Sassa> welcome to sassaworld

#79 2006-04-18 16:02 by nakoz (80.217.82.XXX)

1) who gave you the false facts?
2) who in oblivion did you consult to investigate the "fact" you had on your table?
i'm signed on your site as clanleader, and noone has mentioned anything to me? gg. lucky you i read this newspost, so I knew what we were up to.

#80 2006-04-18 16:05 by nakoz (80.217.82.XXX)

i would like any admin beside sassa to answer my two questions.

#81 2006-04-18 16:05 by gaz (195.72.182.XXX)

drama4life

#82 2006-04-18 16:15 by trashie (81.235.129.XXX)

gaz, why the fuck are you here whining about sd? stay the fuck out of this since you have nothing to do with it. You fucking idiot. I thought u had wise up since last time you were out in the cold with your nqr shit, but here you go again, i dont care what your thoughts are about this "cheat" with oblivion, but dont fucking drag this over to sd. Makes me sick that idiots like you have to puke over other clans. SD did wrong AND WE HAVE GOT OUR SHIT FROM THAT ALREADY! cant belive you make this that O did an sd thing. if you really think this is "sassa getting payback" you must be fucking retarted (i knew that already). ghosting has never been tolerated before, why should it this time? doesnt matter if its sassa or fkn leif that admins. (and yes, i know you guys says u didnt ghost, and i for one belive you, but it still isnt allowed to be specs on same vent). so fuckoff gaz and stay out of others business.

#83 2006-04-18 16:19 by bps (85.225.140.XXX)

Trash du e ju f?r soet.
"doesnt matter if its sassa or fkn leif that admins. \0/

#84 2006-04-18 16:20 by gaz (195.72.182.XXX)

Where did I say that I thought this was Sassa getting payback? I made a comment towards those who were saying that, I didn't say that at all.

Nice to see that you are as mature as ever trash. Excellent reasoned debate and balanced argument from you as always.

#85 2006-04-18 16:22 by contender (81.236.21.XXX)

ghosting isnt the same thing as having specs on vent. Thinking that _is_ retarded

#86 2006-04-18 16:22 by gaz (195.72.182.XXX)

In fact, the only comments I made about SD were 1) questioning Empezar's motives for defending SD but not O (and he gave a good answer, thanks for that btw Empezar) and 2) simply comparing the 2 situations, again in a discussion with Empezar.

I was not slagging off SD, whining about SD or anything like that. I don't know what the hell you are talking about, but please, don't let any kind of facts, rational thought or reasoned argument interfere with your vendetta to just insult and flame me.

#87 2006-04-18 16:23 by gaz (195.72.182.XXX)

And for the record, if Oblivion did ghost, then I fully agree with the decision that the EQL crew made here. However, I simply have serious doubts as to whether it happened, and am questioning the lack of evidence.

What would the world be like if we all just took everything we heard to be gospel truth?

#88 2006-04-18 16:26 by trashie (81.235.129.XXX)

oh, i forgot that you are the big mature one in the qw scene. sorry for even speaking to you without raising my hand. wont happend again. h?vding smygande fisen!

#89 2006-04-18 16:27 by trashie (81.235.129.XXX)

damn you write fast :(

#90 2006-04-18 16:29 by bps (85.225.140.XXX)

ffs evolve ventrilos recording so we can type /cmd dl . in vent and get this all over with.

#91 2006-04-18 16:32 by gaz (195.72.182.XXX)

:)))))) You have some anger issues, better sort them out.

>gaz, why the fuck are you here whining about sd?

Show me where I whined about SD.

>stay the fuck out of this since you have nothing to do with it. You fucking idiot.

Huh? This is a public comments page, surely it's the business of everyone in the QW community to discuss the decision.

>dont care what your thoughts are about this "cheat" with oblivion, but dont fucking drag this over to sd. Makes me sick that idiots like you have to puke over other clans. SD did wrong AND WE HAVE GOT OUR SHIT FROM THAT ALREADY!

Totally agree, now show me where I 'dragged this over to SD', or where I 'puked over' you.

>if you really think this is "sassa getting payback" you must be fucking retarted (i knew that already).

I don't think that. Show me where I said that. I guess it's easier to just throw a playground insult at me than it is to read what I actually wrote in earliest posts.

>ghosting has never been tolerated before, why should it this time

I agree!

>so fuckoff gaz and stay out of others business.

Which begs the question... what business is it of yours?

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Please don't see this as an attack on you, but you can't expect me to let you just insult and attack me like that without defending myself. You can apologise to me for calling me retarded on IRC later.

#92 2006-04-18 16:42 by trashie (81.235.129.XXX)

the day i apologise to you would be the day hell freezes to ice. i realize that some of the stuff i wrote was misplaced, i clearly mixed up your comments with others in my anger, but still i cant belive why ppl (you among others) have to drag up the sd thing in this? only coz sassa was admin and plays in sd. take it out on him as admin instead of his clan.

#93 2006-04-18 16:46 by gaz (195.72.182.XXX)

I only mentioned SD in comparing the situations were handled, I didn't want to besmirch the name of the clan, or say anything bad about SD, and I believe I didn't do that. I'm sorry if you thought that was the case, but that wasn't my intention.

I've had my disagreements with SD but I don't hold anything against them, I'm sure most of them are pleasant chaps when they're not flaming me and the rest of the NQR crew :)

#94 2006-04-18 16:46 by JKova (80.221.17.XXX)

2006-04-04 19:10 by zanne (81.228.200.XXX)

I never EVER want to see personal insults on an official QW homepage like this one - I ask this from Quakers, therefor I have NO doubt about it not to happen again.

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ZOMG IT'S HAPPENED AGAIN, this time by trashie. Admins do something?

#95 2006-04-18 16:46 by trashie (81.235.129.XXX)

i just like to whine @ you gaz! the others are no phun whining with.

#96 2006-04-18 16:47 by fog (81.216.124.XXX)

Why is the focus on the sassa here? After what I understand, they (O) got their second warning after not playing by the rules, and therefore got kicked out.

I can admit that even an oldschool noob like me can think that kicking the team out maybe is a bit hard, but maybe give them some penalty instead.

Puss

#97 2006-04-18 16:47 by JKova (80.221.17.XXX)

(in case someone doesn't know it, that zanne quote is from the cmf-sr game comments)

#98 2006-04-18 16:48 by trashie (81.235.129.XXX)

zanne i have no other to whine with. only gazadoks is phun ffs

#99 2006-04-18 16:49 by gaz (195.72.182.XXX)

JKova, wasn't that when zanne PM'd fix on IRC and told him to apologise in public or he might be kicked or something? :)

"I won't take any of that in my league" :)

Be careful who you insult trash, ZANNE'S GONNA GETCHOO :PPP

#100 2006-04-18 16:50 by trashie (81.235.129.XXX)

*scared* zomg i may have to sell my computer now? HELP GAZ?!?!?!?!?!

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